Saturday, April 30, 2011


I've been much more careful about my readings on these petrovoltaic cells here lately. The latest test I've done was to cut off ALL power to my house. So flipped the main breaker and my house had no current flowing in it so that I could eliminate the chance that I was reading stray voltage from CFL's or from the walls. The good news is that these petrovoltaic cells still produce voltage. I even moved the cells around to different place in my yard and drove around and they still give off voltage.

I find the best test that I do is the shorting the cell out test. I never seen any battery of any type able to slowly go back to the original standing voltage after being shorted out for a day or even a week like some of the cells. Removing the short shows the cell go back up in voltage to almost the original standing voltage and over a few minutes it slowly goes back to the original standing voltage and some have even gone up above the standing voltage but I consider to be apart of the temperature and lunar effects. I do believe that these cell can't last forever, they must drain, after all everything dies eventually.

I do find that temperature is a real mixed bag. I remember working on cells that used distilled water as the dielectric and one day the hot water would raise the voltage but next week the cell wasn't affected by it. If anything temperature would raise the voltage slightly but it can be hard to say that these petrovoltaic cells are driven by temperature.

These cells also do act like a low micro farad capacitor when given a charge.

I have made some glue cells that are given power from a AA battery while its drying, as to treat like a electret. It does take the charge but I think High voltage would work better. A AA battery at 1.300 volts would have the glue electret cell at about .400 volts after 3 days of resting and fully dried out. It does hold around .400 volts but I think high voltage would align the cells up better than this low voltage method.

I'm also back at testing some rocks from my drive way again and them too when the power from the house is cut off still give off a very small voltage.

Wednesday, April 27, 2011

I find it creepy

I find it creepy that all the experiments that I have done in the past few years have all drawn to one person and didn't even know it, that person is Thomas Townsend Brown. Everything from the Captret idea to my same metal water battery idea. I barely even knew who the guy was before coming across his name in a posting on a thread. I even done many of the exact same experiments that he did and did not realize it until recently.

I've made the “rock battery” before and did not know TT brown done this, I was merely experimenting. Here's a video of me showing off the rock battery

Brown even states that a electrolytic capacitor can get this energy as well. This extra energy was studied by me for some time and I called it the captret. The Captret was originally to show that you can make a lead out of the case of the capacitor but later tested found that a capacitor could give extra energy. I even went as far as to hook capacitors up to another capacitor to see what would happen, and both capacitors would self charge off each other. I've seen capacitors show this self-potential that Brown talks about in many videos and did not realize it until recently.
All the videos above talk about the captret and the mentions some of the things that Brown shows us in his notes from Like shorting the cell out and it bouncing back to almost the original voltage. Or that a voltage appears when electrodes ( the case of the capacitor and one of the leads) is put in a dielectric, thats why the voltage was different on each test point of the super capacitor, plus higher the farad the better. This was only the start, I started to branch off to get a better understanding so I move to the same metal water battery or in some videos I called it the water captret.

With the water captret idea I could study that for some odd reason when I placed aluminum plates in water I could get a voltage, and I could use that voltage to amplify the voltage of a battery too. I still didn't understand it and many people to this day call it a form of galvanic, Brown was also faced with this galvanic problem too by others as he mention in his notes. I believe that it is not galvanic and its something much more due to the fact that I've never seen a galvanic cell switch polarities as also studied by Brown too. I nearly passed out when I read in his notes that when he try to put his cells in series that some of the cell switch polarities, I've seen the many times when I tried to put my cell in series to get a higher voltage; some cells switch polarities and when they did that acted like a resistor and the voltage was not increased by any important margin. Videos of the same metal water battery or the Water captret as it was once call will below.
Brown even mentions that using concrete would work and I prove that it works in this video.
The idea works for all dielectric material even glue. I show some cell producing voltage when using glue.

So to be clear when you use the same metals for both anode and cathode you're working with the effect that Brown studied, but when you use dissimilar metals you're only getting some of the effect that Brown studied. When two different metals are used most of the power you see is from the galvanic reaction, but a faction of the total power is coming from what Brown studied, so galvanic cells are not 100% galvanic and due show some effects (small effects) of what Brown studied. Using the same metals eliminates the galvanic reaction and allows you to focus more on what Brown was studying.

So at least I'm not the only one seeing this effect, Thomas Townsend Brown saw this too and did much better testing than I've done. Even though these cell produce small power is not the important thing to note, its the fact that they produce any power at all is the important thing. If it gives off power it must be getting it from somewhere and that is what is key. It is a very weird feeling to come across some notes on something that you're seeing too and you thought had no real explanation.

Saturday, April 23, 2011

T. Townsend Brown

I'm seeing a lot of similarities to my same metal water battery and Townsend brown's electricity from rocks. Brown was putting plates on rocks to measure the small voltage of them and I'm putting plates in water to measure the small of voltage too. His plates where the same metal and so are my plates. He points out the dielectric of the rocks give it power and it just happens that water is a dielectric. Brown believed in that Gravity waves or Cosmic waves where the things that drive his rocks.

It is interesting to note the similarities to my work and T.Townsend Brown.

Friday, April 22, 2011

Capacitor charging

I have one of my same metal glue battery cell hook up to a small 1uF capacitor to see if it will charge it. It does charge but I'm seeing something quite unusual. It keeps charging the capacitor beyond the point of where the cell started at. I hook the cell up to the capacitor with it reading only around 70mV but now its up to 80mV. Yes the capacitor was left shorted out for 24 hours before the test started. Many of you will not believe me and say I'm crazy to be reporting this but it is happening.

When given a load such as the capacitor the cell starts to output more power over time. I've seen this before with the original same metal water battery which was called the water captret at the time.

Call me crazy but this is really happening.

Tuesday, April 19, 2011

Negative Charging

I'm going to put forth a new idea when it comes to "charge". I'm putting "Negative Charging" out there because of what I'm seeing when it comes to my same metal water battery ideas. Now to keep it scientific as possible I had to completely get rid of the chance of what I was see was a galvanic reaction. To do this I stop using any metal plates and used only Graphite and since Graphite is not a metal a galvanic reaction can't occur. Also I needed to use something better than water, water moves around and messes with the results, so I needed to get away from water. I replaced water with Glue, since glue dries and the water evaporates from it when its dried. So what I have is a solid state cell that has only graphite for both plates using glue as the medium.

Now for the Negative Charging part. To fully understand negative charging is very simple, think of charge as being a timeline. On this timeline you have 0 in the middle and to right of 0 you have the positive and to the left of 0 you have the negative. Negative charging is no more than "draining the charge". For example you have 50volts and you hook a load up to it you'll be draining the charge or "Negatively charging". Its like saying there is no such thing as subtracting, you're only adding a negative number.

As for the reason of "negative charging" is to explain what I was seeing with the cell described above. You see the cell doesn't produce much power, when first connected to the meter it would read around 20mV. As Many of you know or don't the Meter when connect to anything acts like a small load, to check this just hook a digital volt meter to a low micro farad capacitor and watch as the capacitor drains because it is connected to the meter. So from the 20mV reading of the cell it would slowly drain due to the meter being a load. As it drained it reached 0 volts and I thought that was it, but no it was not. This is where the negative charging comes in, You see the cell when given a load does not drain like a battery or capacitor would but instead it was CHARGING, negatively. So the cell doesn't drain but charges instead and that is why I need the term "negative charging" to describe what happen. The cell started off at 20mV and reached 0 but did not stop, it started climbing in the negative numbers as if it was being charged.

To keep things fair I've tested this with ceramic capacitor. The capacitor went from 100mV to 0 volts and never went to the negative numbers. The capacitor instead bounced around from 0 volts to 5mV. The bounce in voltage to 5mV I think was mostly due to the EMF in the room.

So the cells don't drain like a battery but instead they negatively charge when given a load. I do want to tell that Shorting out a cell and giving it a load is two different things, one would think a short is the ultimate load but a short is something very different when it comes to these cells.

Sunday, April 17, 2011

Where the Same Metal Water Battery Came from

The concept behind the same metal water battery came from my experiments with the Captret. The Captret was something I found by accident while playing with capacitors. I noticed that when you charge a capacitor's two leads( + and the - leads) I could also see a voltage coming from the case of the capacitor to one of the leads. At first I thought maybe that one of the plates was connected to the case, but shorting out the + lead and - leads still show that there was electricity in the case and + or case and the - lead. I found this to be amazing thing, and was shocked that no where else on the internet talked about this. The capacitors that we used to day are actual 3 capacitors in one. Here's my first Captret video

I later find out that I can run a LED off it. I also started to notice something that I wasn't expecting and that was self charging effect. Here's the video

I learn for a fact that there was power inside of the Captret from this experiment shown here.

So at this time I wanted to share this to other people on forums about free energy and I did. I created a video that showed it running a LED and ask people how long could they get there LED's to run for. I also show that it would use less amps over time when lighting the LED. The video is here

So now I'm seeing that extra energy is inside the captret and this puzzles me even to this day. I find that I can prove that I'm getting more power out than what i'm putting into it by doing a simple experiment with a LED, basically showing overunity shown here

At this point the Captret Idea was taking off on the forums and many ideas and test were being done and other even made circuits like I did that actually charged the battery while suppling a load. So I and many others are seeing a increase in voltage and this was very interesting to me. I was told by others that i need to make my own Captret capacitors but I lack a understanding of capacitors at the time. I soon learn that capacitors where simple, two plates separated by a dielectric. The plates in a capacitor where aluminum and the case was aluminum too and that explain why the case worked well, it was just another plate. So taking what I learn I tried very early test to see if I could increase the voltage of a battery and I made of video of it here.

So the question was why, why did the voltage increase when I used the same metals. You see the same metal water battery never started life as a galvanic battery where you use two different metals. The same metal water battery started out with me trying to figure out the captret's ability to increase voltage of a power source for no reason at all. It didn't make since, I was using the same metals but for some odd reason the voltage was increasing, This went against what I've learn about the same metals can't make a battery, you need different metals. I also show this effect happening in a Captret capacitor too shown here

So now I start boiling down why the voltage was increasing. I figured that it was simple, when you placed two conducting plates in a dielectric it would spontaneous produce voltage. It made since, the same metal water battery uses aluminum as the conducting plates and so does capacitors and water is a dielectric material just like the electrolyte thats in capacitors. So to test this idea was simple, if it does produce power spontaneous because its two metal plates in a dielectric material it should just charge it self when connected to it's self. So if I connected two capacitors up positive to positive and negative to negative they both should charge each other; And they did, here's a video of it

The capacitors where charging each other, no power was added to them they were charging themselves and the only reason why they did was because they are two conducting plates in a dielectric material. So I prove that I could get power from this from pretty much nothing.

So now I started to roll with it, I could amplify voltage by using this idea of two conducting plates in a dielectric material. I called it the Water captret but soon changed it to the same metal water battery to keep people from getting confused. Heres a video of me showing that I can get more voltage out then what I put into it.

Now I start to get rid of the battery and just play around with just the water captret cells. I put them in series and was doing good and making great progress shown here.

I did find that for some odd reason the cell when given a load would increase amps over time, still don't know why to this day. video shown here

At this time I've stop playing with the water captret due to things that I thought was killing the cells. I thought oxide was forming on the plates and figured that everyone was correct but I later figured out that it was the tap water evaporating and leaving the minerals behind. I switched to distilled water and putting a lid on the cell and it solved that problem. Using distilled water brought the Water Captret back but with a new name, the Same Metal Water Battery. This is where I'm at today, still trying to figure out why a voltage exist between to conducting plates in a dielectric material. No on knows the true answer to the question but the power is their and one day we'll know the answer.

Thursday, April 14, 2011

Used as a Antenna

So I got done doing a very crazy experiment that involved using the same metal water battery - glue version. So I had the crazy idea to use the same metal water battery as a antenna. So one end of the plates was not connected to anything and I connected the other plate to a Avramenko Plug and hook that to my meter. To my surprise I did get voltage but what shock me was what happen when I put it near my CFL light. The CFL light emits high voltage so it should increase the voltage but it didn't, much less voltage came from plug. Turing everything off in the room also show a voltage was still coming to the meter. Adding another cell in series increase the voltage output too!

Using dissimilar metals did not work as good as the same metals, the dissimilar metals gave worse results, they acted like a resistor.

Also the same metal cells would act like a capacitor, storing the electricity. But the best part I see was that adding the same metal cells in series would increase the voltage output.

What I think is happening is that the plate is absorbing the radio waves and being increase due to the voltage that exist in the plates themselves and thats why I see the power. Also no ground was used, but I figure a ground might have given me better results.

Wednesday, April 13, 2011

Taking the heat

I don't understand why I get some much heat from people about these types of cells? Bedini makes a obvious galvanic battery and people praise him, but I make any thing people bash me. I prove that using glue instead of water works in a water battery setup. From my understanding is that when glue dries its evaporating the water so how can you have power if no water is their? Also the glue holds strong to the plates so how will the plate corrode if it can't fall apart? Or better yet why does using the same metal plates still give me a damn voltage!!!!!! After all galvanic reaction relies on the different metals in a electrolyte.

Here's a little advise to anyone who wants to do experiments in the free energy field, Make it hard! Make it so hard that people can't easily replicate what you've done, and then they'll be forced to agree with you. Use parts that only you can make or even make them up. Make up crap to keep the people happy. Design things that look hard and use complex angles that no one can get correct. Because when you make simple things like I do people don't won't to believe it, because its too simple and holds no mystery to it. If you do go my route and make things easy for people to replicate and actual tell the truth and don't make up crap just to please them then you will surely get ridiculed and pushed to the side as to make room for the people who do make up crap and also lie.

Tuesday, April 12, 2011


I've come to find out that the glue works just as good as water so far. I've replaced water with Elmer's glue and I still get a voltage. So Yes Glue does work! Its amazing that glue works because when it dries it has lost all of its water, so why does the cell still work? So far I know that Caulk and Elmer's glues work, so other glues might work as well. I'm calling this idea the Glue Battery for obvious reasons. It works for both dissimilar and same metal plates too.

Monday, April 11, 2011

Move away from Water

I would like to find a different substance besides water. I'm not talking about being anti water but substances that hold themselves together. Like the same metal concrete cells that I made needed water but dry and hold the plates and still produce power. So this got me thinking, I need something like concrete but drys faster. Then it hit me, glue. Glue will do the same as concrete but dries faster. The only glue type thing I have in the house was all-purpose Caulk and it seems to be working. I'm getting a voltage from the "Caulk same metal battery". I'm going to let it dry overnight to see if the voltage stays or will it go away when it dries.

If this glue idea works I'm thinking maybe glue as simple as "Elmer's glue" would work or some strong "lock-tite" glue could work. More testing will be done but I can say that the caulk glue is working now, but when it dries I don't know.

Using Glue could bring back the smaller straw cells because the dreaded air bubbles won't form like water.


I've been playing with the magnetic idea of the plates on the same metal water battery. I been swiping a magnet on a plate as to make it magnetic, but of course aluminum is not ferrous metal.

It does seem that when done right I can make the plate loose power by swiping a magnet on it. I had the cell starting out at 450mV but swiping the plate brought it to 350mV. I also the voltage increase too when swiping in a different way but more testing needs to be done to confirm all of this.

Something about water

There's something about water that makes the same metal water battery work. We all know that water is conductive but If I were to use something like a conductive plate instead of water the cells wont work due to it being shorted out. How can something be conductive but yet not short something out like you would expect? I just can't swap out water for a copper plate and expect it to work like water, but yet both the water and the copper plate are conductive.

Also looking at these cells also shows that not all the voltage is coming from the galvanic reaction that we assume with the dissimilar metal cells. Looking at my cells shows that voltage is there even though we use the same metals for both plates, so a fraction of the voltage we get from dissimilar plates is not from the galvanic reaction. I bet you could apply everything I've learn about the same metal water battery and apply it to a dissimilar metal water battery to increase its voltage, such as having one plate barely touching the water. I bet the same rules could apply, like one end of the plate could be more attracted to the other end of the other plates, such as with polarity. Maybe you could combine the two, where you have a dissimilar plated cell combined with several similar plated cells to make a very unique cells.

Sunday, April 10, 2011

North pole South pole

I'm thinking the aluminum plates of the same metal water battery are like magnets. where a magnet would have a north pole and a south pole I find that the aluminum plates also have something like a north pole and a south pole. I've made a video showing that when I put one end of the plate into the water I get a negative voltage (south pole) and when I switch to the other end of the plate I get a positive voltage (north pole). Also You may notice that I get a higher voltage when I'm in the positive range and thats due to the other plate being attracted to the plate, Like a north pole of magnet being attracted to a south pole. So You could say that these cells are magnetic.

Amps and Spacing

So I've gotten back from my local hardware store with some bigger pieces of aluminum plates. I picked up a 6 inch by 24 inch thin sheet of aluminum for testing. I want to prove that the more aluminum the more amps. I find that I have proven that the more aluminum you have in the water the amps you get. The less of aluminum you have in the water the less amps you have.

But there was one more thing that I found out that gave me more amps and that was spacing of the plates. The closer they are the more amps I get. So now spacing has entered the picture.

With this increase of spacing I was able to charge my 10 Farad super capacitor, this was something that the other plates could barely do. My 22,000mF capacitor also charges faster too.

So Plate size affects amps!

Friday, April 8, 2011


It seems that I've been going after the wrong thing with these cells. I've been chasing voltage when I should have been chasing amps. These cells don't like to be in series so going after volts is pointless. Going after amps will allow me to charge capacitors and the more amps the faster the charging. I need to find out how to increase amps.

When I go after amps I'll be able to make the same metal water battery into a captret style cell that will cut down on the number of cells needed. It started with the captret idea and I wanted to know how they work so it developed into the same metal water battery and now it seems that I'm going back to the captret. It's like a circle.

I do think that amps are increased with plate size, so if this is true I see bigger plates and bigger cells in the future. If plate size increase amps then I'll be able to charge big capacitors faster and either put those caps in series or hook one or two up to a joule thief and finally run my LED!

Concrete cells

It seems that the concrete cells are losing voltage by the day. When I fist started to make these cells the voltage was low and climb the next 2 days but after that it has kept going down. 5 days in and went from the 200mV range down below the 100mV range. It seems as the concrete dries the water is being removed and the water was what kept these cell producing power. Here's a chart of the voltage going down.

-----------concrete cell
219.1 7:36am 4-6-2011
207.2 9:30am 4-6-2011
164.3 1:49pm 4-6-2011
137.7 7:14pm 4-6-2011
123.6 6:27am 4-7-2011
117.4 10:38am 4-7-2011
108.7 6:18pm 4-7-2011
104.8 8:13pm 4-7-2011
96.8 6:24am 4-8-2011

Thursday, April 7, 2011

Turns gold color

I don't know if this is a good thing or not but my longest running cell which has been shorted out since 2-24-11 has where the plates touch the water have turn gold in color. There is still amount of voltage coming from the cell when the short is removed. This cell has been shorted out non stop since 2-24-11. There is no holes in the plates and the water is still clear, the only thing that changed is that the cell is now half gold in color. I Think this might be only affecting the aluminum foil as other aluminum cells that use aluminum nails or wire have not shown this, yet? I'm still puzzled by these cells, I thought by now one of the plates would have be consumed with holes in it but they're still strong as the day I put them in.

Wednesday, April 6, 2011

At a loss

It seems that I'm at a loss for what or even how these same metal water batteries work. I've done many test to see what could make these cells work so that I could get the best power from them. I've had many ideas and others have posted ideas too.

One idea was that it worked like aluminum air battery. A aluminum air battery consist of aluminum and some type of carbon, so the plates are aluminum and carbon. My cells are aluminum and aluminum, the textbooks and the internet say that I can't get a voltage because they're not dissimilar. So If it was reacting to the oxygen in the air it would either gain or loose a electron. In the aluminum carbon cell it looses and then aluminum corrodes away because its giving electrons to the carbon. Now how could it give a electron to aluminum when they both are matched in the electrons, so there's no force. So lets role with the aluminum reacting to the oxygen idea some more, if it was reacting to it then me increase the surface area that is exposed to the air should give me voltage right? Well like I have stated before plate size doesn't matter. It doesn't matter the size of both plates or just one of the plates, they all produce about the same. I've seen big plates give low voltage and little plate give high voltages and the other way around. Reacting to the oxygen would make sense if one of the plates where carbon but its not, they're both aluminum. Also I have straw cells that are completely full of water so no air is there with plate of the same size completely sealed off and I still get voltage, So if it was reacting to the oxygen then why do I still get voltage from sealed off water tight cell? Also some have said that it could be reacting to the oxygen in the water, well thats a great feat to do since it would need to separate the oxygen from the water and if it did I would loose water but thats not the case as the water level stays the same when a lid is on the cell.

One idea was temperature. This one is still possible as the cell like other electrical components are affected by heat. I've done a test today with boiling water and I get the same amount of voltage as normal.

I also thought pressure could be one too. I saw that maybe the plate that was in the water had a greater pressure on it than the plate barely touching the water. I did a test where I had a big bucket of water full and sinked a wire deep into it so that It had greater pressure but the voltage difference did not change from the norm.

The only thing I've seen to come close to help solving this problem is the shape of the plate. Each shape gives its own power. Even this is not really a answer. I could use a answer as to why these cell produce power so that I could make the better. Of course theres the far out there ideas such as zero point energy and the Casimir effect. I'm still at a loss on what powers these cells. It does seem that concrete cell did give off better amps but I do fear the worse for it when all the water is completely dried from it. I'm at a loss here as to where the power comes from.

I'm also quite shocked at how people don't seem to care. If you think about it I've made a super eco-friendly battery. Made of aluminum and water, much greener than any other battery. And who knows how long these cells will last, since nothing is being consumed like in a normal galvanic battery they could last for a really long time.

If you have any idea as to why these cell work you can personal message me on Youtube, energetic forum,, My user name is "ibpointless2".

Tuesday, April 5, 2011


I think I may have a good guess as to where the power from the same metal water battery is coming from. The idea was proposed when I was studying the cement version of the same metal water battery and notice the voltage has increased the next day. So what changed about the cell? I did nothing to it but the concrete was curing. When it cures it gets harder, it may take concrete days before it can be load baring due to it harding. As it hardens pressure is put on the plates. Thus we see pressure come into the picture.

The Voltage is influenced by pressure!

Pressure does make sense. Lets think about my cells that use water, when you go deeper in the water the pressure builds. When we notice that one plate is barely touching the water it has a different pressure on it than the one fully in the water.

Remember when I thought it could be heat that influenced the cells, well this still holds true. The hotter the water the more it expands thus more pressure.

I believe what we have here is cells driven by pressure! Pressure Cells! Having one cell deeper in the water should create higher voltage, but a big tube of water is needed. If it is pressure driven then you could say its powered by gravity since gravity is needed to give water its pressure.

I'll put pictures above to show you the voltage increase in the cement same metal water battery.

This is just an idea so I could be wrong.

Monday, April 4, 2011

Energy from temperature

It could be possible that the energy I'm seeing from the same metal water batter is coming from temperature. The water could be cooler than the room, so the aluminum wire in the water is at a different temp than the one barely touching the water. The one barely touching the water is more at the room temp while the one in the water is cooler due to the water evaporating or something like that.

When I first started testing the same metal water battery I did try it with boiling water and got a much higher voltage than normal. When I fist started the most voltage I seen was around 200mV but the hot water gave me close to 400mV, that voltage was never seen before.

SMWB is charging Capacitors

These cells do charge capacitors just fine, but to get the best charge I do have to fine tune the cells. By fine tunning the cells I'm talking about making the cells that produce 600mV plus. I must match the plates up very carefully so that I can get those higher Milli-volts.

One cell that is fine tunned was able to charge a 220uf capacitor to 500mV in about 30 seconds. 500mV is a good number from one cell. If I can get one of the bigger capacitors or even a super capacitor to charge that high I could use a joule thief circuit to power a LED from that low voltage. If I do remember correct most joule thief circuits can run as low as 300mV. So Maybe one cell could give me the results I want of lighting a LED.

Sunday, April 3, 2011

Same Metal Water Battery in Series

I've stated this before, people don't really care about these cells if they don't power something like a LED. I've been reaching for this goal for some time now and I'm starting to see that this is not a easy goal. You see the same metal water battery can't easily be put in series. When put in series the cells don't really work well together to increase voltage. Its like each cell don't won't to join other cells and when they do they act crazy. Some cells will even switch polarities, and when this happens its like that cell becomes a voltage resistor which lowers the total voltage.

I really want to light a LED, but hooking the same metal water battery in series will not work at this time. Maybe in the future I'll figure it out but now its not happening. But this will not stop me from lighting an LED, as I have come up with a clever way to light one up with the energy I get from the cells. I'm going to play by the rules of the same metal water batteries where they won't to be alone. I hook each individual cell up to a capacitor and have it charge that capacitor. Once the capacitor is full I'll hook those capacitors in series and thus have a LED light up with the energy I get from the same metal water battery.

I'm doing the testing now for charging capacitors and I'm glad to report that the cells do charge the capacitor. I'm charging a 22,000uf capacitor now and it is taking some time but it is charging it and thats saying something because that is a nice size capacitor. In about 14 minutes one cell has charge one 22,000uf capacitor from 14.7mV to 20.2mV. Like I said the charging is slow with a big capacitor like the one I'm using, but the good thing is that its charging. To increase charging I could hook the cells up in parallel and that should help.