It seems that the concrete cells are losing voltage by the day. When I fist started to make these cells the voltage was low and climb the next 2 days but after that it has kept going down. 5 days in and went from the 200mV range down below the 100mV range. It seems as the concrete dries the water is being removed and the water was what kept these cell producing power. Here's a chart of the voltage going down.
-----------concrete cell
219.1 7:36am 4-6-2011
207.2 9:30am 4-6-2011
164.3 1:49pm 4-6-2011
137.7 7:14pm 4-6-2011
123.6 6:27am 4-7-2011
117.4 10:38am 4-7-2011
108.7 6:18pm 4-7-2011
104.8 8:13pm 4-7-2011
96.8 6:24am 4-8-2011
Friday, April 8, 2011
Thursday, April 7, 2011
Turns gold color
I don't know if this is a good thing or not but my longest running cell which has been shorted out since 2-24-11 has where the plates touch the water have turn gold in color. There is still amount of voltage coming from the cell when the short is removed. This cell has been shorted out non stop since 2-24-11. There is no holes in the plates and the water is still clear, the only thing that changed is that the cell is now half gold in color. I Think this might be only affecting the aluminum foil as other aluminum cells that use aluminum nails or wire have not shown this, yet? I'm still puzzled by these cells, I thought by now one of the plates would have be consumed with holes in it but they're still strong as the day I put them in.
Wednesday, April 6, 2011
At a loss
It seems that I'm at a loss for what or even how these same metal water batteries work. I've done many test to see what could make these cells work so that I could get the best power from them. I've had many ideas and others have posted ideas too.
One idea was that it worked like aluminum air battery. A aluminum air battery consist of aluminum and some type of carbon, so the plates are aluminum and carbon. My cells are aluminum and aluminum, the textbooks and the internet say that I can't get a voltage because they're not dissimilar. So If it was reacting to the oxygen in the air it would either gain or loose a electron. In the aluminum carbon cell it looses and then aluminum corrodes away because its giving electrons to the carbon. Now how could it give a electron to aluminum when they both are matched in the electrons, so there's no force. So lets role with the aluminum reacting to the oxygen idea some more, if it was reacting to it then me increase the surface area that is exposed to the air should give me voltage right? Well like I have stated before plate size doesn't matter. It doesn't matter the size of both plates or just one of the plates, they all produce about the same. I've seen big plates give low voltage and little plate give high voltages and the other way around. Reacting to the oxygen would make sense if one of the plates where carbon but its not, they're both aluminum. Also I have straw cells that are completely full of water so no air is there with plate of the same size completely sealed off and I still get voltage, So if it was reacting to the oxygen then why do I still get voltage from sealed off water tight cell? Also some have said that it could be reacting to the oxygen in the water, well thats a great feat to do since it would need to separate the oxygen from the water and if it did I would loose water but thats not the case as the water level stays the same when a lid is on the cell.
One idea was temperature. This one is still possible as the cell like other electrical components are affected by heat. I've done a test today with boiling water and I get the same amount of voltage as normal.
I also thought pressure could be one too. I saw that maybe the plate that was in the water had a greater pressure on it than the plate barely touching the water. I did a test where I had a big bucket of water full and sinked a wire deep into it so that It had greater pressure but the voltage difference did not change from the norm.
The only thing I've seen to come close to help solving this problem is the shape of the plate. Each shape gives its own power. Even this is not really a answer. I could use a answer as to why these cell produce power so that I could make the better. Of course theres the far out there ideas such as zero point energy and the Casimir effect. I'm still at a loss on what powers these cells. It does seem that concrete cell did give off better amps but I do fear the worse for it when all the water is completely dried from it. I'm at a loss here as to where the power comes from.
I'm also quite shocked at how people don't seem to care. If you think about it I've made a super eco-friendly battery. Made of aluminum and water, much greener than any other battery. And who knows how long these cells will last, since nothing is being consumed like in a normal galvanic battery they could last for a really long time.
If you have any idea as to why these cell work you can personal message me on Youtube, energetic forum, overunity.com, My user name is "ibpointless2".
One idea was that it worked like aluminum air battery. A aluminum air battery consist of aluminum and some type of carbon, so the plates are aluminum and carbon. My cells are aluminum and aluminum, the textbooks and the internet say that I can't get a voltage because they're not dissimilar. So If it was reacting to the oxygen in the air it would either gain or loose a electron. In the aluminum carbon cell it looses and then aluminum corrodes away because its giving electrons to the carbon. Now how could it give a electron to aluminum when they both are matched in the electrons, so there's no force. So lets role with the aluminum reacting to the oxygen idea some more, if it was reacting to it then me increase the surface area that is exposed to the air should give me voltage right? Well like I have stated before plate size doesn't matter. It doesn't matter the size of both plates or just one of the plates, they all produce about the same. I've seen big plates give low voltage and little plate give high voltages and the other way around. Reacting to the oxygen would make sense if one of the plates where carbon but its not, they're both aluminum. Also I have straw cells that are completely full of water so no air is there with plate of the same size completely sealed off and I still get voltage, So if it was reacting to the oxygen then why do I still get voltage from sealed off water tight cell? Also some have said that it could be reacting to the oxygen in the water, well thats a great feat to do since it would need to separate the oxygen from the water and if it did I would loose water but thats not the case as the water level stays the same when a lid is on the cell.
One idea was temperature. This one is still possible as the cell like other electrical components are affected by heat. I've done a test today with boiling water and I get the same amount of voltage as normal.
I also thought pressure could be one too. I saw that maybe the plate that was in the water had a greater pressure on it than the plate barely touching the water. I did a test where I had a big bucket of water full and sinked a wire deep into it so that It had greater pressure but the voltage difference did not change from the norm.
The only thing I've seen to come close to help solving this problem is the shape of the plate. Each shape gives its own power. Even this is not really a answer. I could use a answer as to why these cell produce power so that I could make the better. Of course theres the far out there ideas such as zero point energy and the Casimir effect. I'm still at a loss on what powers these cells. It does seem that concrete cell did give off better amps but I do fear the worse for it when all the water is completely dried from it. I'm at a loss here as to where the power comes from.
I'm also quite shocked at how people don't seem to care. If you think about it I've made a super eco-friendly battery. Made of aluminum and water, much greener than any other battery. And who knows how long these cells will last, since nothing is being consumed like in a normal galvanic battery they could last for a really long time.
If you have any idea as to why these cell work you can personal message me on Youtube, energetic forum, overunity.com, My user name is "ibpointless2".
Tuesday, April 5, 2011
Pressure
I think I may have a good guess as to where the power from the same metal water battery is coming from. The idea was proposed when I was studying the cement version of the same metal water battery and notice the voltage has increased the next day. So what changed about the cell? I did nothing to it but the concrete was curing. When it cures it gets harder, it may take concrete days before it can be load baring due to it harding. As it hardens pressure is put on the plates. Thus we see pressure come into the picture.
The Voltage is influenced by pressure!
Pressure does make sense. Lets think about my cells that use water, when you go deeper in the water the pressure builds. When we notice that one plate is barely touching the water it has a different pressure on it than the one fully in the water.
Remember when I thought it could be heat that influenced the cells, well this still holds true. The hotter the water the more it expands thus more pressure.
I believe what we have here is cells driven by pressure! Pressure Cells! Having one cell deeper in the water should create higher voltage, but a big tube of water is needed. If it is pressure driven then you could say its powered by gravity since gravity is needed to give water its pressure.
I'll put pictures above to show you the voltage increase in the cement same metal water battery.
This is just an idea so I could be wrong.
Monday, April 4, 2011
Energy from temperature
It could be possible that the energy I'm seeing from the same metal water batter is coming from temperature. The water could be cooler than the room, so the aluminum wire in the water is at a different temp than the one barely touching the water. The one barely touching the water is more at the room temp while the one in the water is cooler due to the water evaporating or something like that.
When I first started testing the same metal water battery I did try it with boiling water and got a much higher voltage than normal. When I fist started the most voltage I seen was around 200mV but the hot water gave me close to 400mV, that voltage was never seen before.
When I first started testing the same metal water battery I did try it with boiling water and got a much higher voltage than normal. When I fist started the most voltage I seen was around 200mV but the hot water gave me close to 400mV, that voltage was never seen before.
SMWB is charging Capacitors
These cells do charge capacitors just fine, but to get the best charge I do have to fine tune the cells. By fine tunning the cells I'm talking about making the cells that produce 600mV plus. I must match the plates up very carefully so that I can get those higher Milli-volts.
One cell that is fine tunned was able to charge a 220uf capacitor to 500mV in about 30 seconds. 500mV is a good number from one cell. If I can get one of the bigger capacitors or even a super capacitor to charge that high I could use a joule thief circuit to power a LED from that low voltage. If I do remember correct most joule thief circuits can run as low as 300mV. So Maybe one cell could give me the results I want of lighting a LED.
One cell that is fine tunned was able to charge a 220uf capacitor to 500mV in about 30 seconds. 500mV is a good number from one cell. If I can get one of the bigger capacitors or even a super capacitor to charge that high I could use a joule thief circuit to power a LED from that low voltage. If I do remember correct most joule thief circuits can run as low as 300mV. So Maybe one cell could give me the results I want of lighting a LED.
Sunday, April 3, 2011
Same Metal Water Battery in Series
I've stated this before, people don't really care about these cells if they don't power something like a LED. I've been reaching for this goal for some time now and I'm starting to see that this is not a easy goal. You see the same metal water battery can't easily be put in series. When put in series the cells don't really work well together to increase voltage. Its like each cell don't won't to join other cells and when they do they act crazy. Some cells will even switch polarities, and when this happens its like that cell becomes a voltage resistor which lowers the total voltage.
I really want to light a LED, but hooking the same metal water battery in series will not work at this time. Maybe in the future I'll figure it out but now its not happening. But this will not stop me from lighting an LED, as I have come up with a clever way to light one up with the energy I get from the cells. I'm going to play by the rules of the same metal water batteries where they won't to be alone. I hook each individual cell up to a capacitor and have it charge that capacitor. Once the capacitor is full I'll hook those capacitors in series and thus have a LED light up with the energy I get from the same metal water battery.
I'm doing the testing now for charging capacitors and I'm glad to report that the cells do charge the capacitor. I'm charging a 22,000uf capacitor now and it is taking some time but it is charging it and thats saying something because that is a nice size capacitor. In about 14 minutes one cell has charge one 22,000uf capacitor from 14.7mV to 20.2mV. Like I said the charging is slow with a big capacitor like the one I'm using, but the good thing is that its charging. To increase charging I could hook the cells up in parallel and that should help.
I really want to light a LED, but hooking the same metal water battery in series will not work at this time. Maybe in the future I'll figure it out but now its not happening. But this will not stop me from lighting an LED, as I have come up with a clever way to light one up with the energy I get from the cells. I'm going to play by the rules of the same metal water batteries where they won't to be alone. I hook each individual cell up to a capacitor and have it charge that capacitor. Once the capacitor is full I'll hook those capacitors in series and thus have a LED light up with the energy I get from the same metal water battery.
I'm doing the testing now for charging capacitors and I'm glad to report that the cells do charge the capacitor. I'm charging a 22,000uf capacitor now and it is taking some time but it is charging it and thats saying something because that is a nice size capacitor. In about 14 minutes one cell has charge one 22,000uf capacitor from 14.7mV to 20.2mV. Like I said the charging is slow with a big capacitor like the one I'm using, but the good thing is that its charging. To increase charging I could hook the cells up in parallel and that should help.
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